E L
Feb 22, 2024
I received my green card for asylum. Can I travel outside the US (not to my home country) for a short trip and use a passport from the country where I was persecuted?
I received my green card for asylum. Can I travel outside the US (not to my home country) for a short trip and use a passport from the country where I was persecuted?
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Immigration GuyFeb 22, 2024
yes you can, no you shouldn't. what are you going to respond to the border officer when you want to come back to the US when they ask you, did you not fear your home country when you traveled with that passport? (traveling with your home country passport means if there's an issue they will have to call/send you to the country your travel document is issued from).
in other words you can get in trouble!
can you get away with it? maybe, but why risk it. instead apply for refugee travel doc, or re-entry permit since you now have GC
E HopefulFeb 22, 2024
@E L You people I don’t understand you. you get asylum for a reason, mainly due to persecution and now you want to fly with the passport of the country of persecution. But why ? to risk it all ? Do not be this ignorant and stupid to say the least. You know all these things when you were granted asylum. Probably your attorney and the asylum officer and/or the immigration judge warned about the things you should or shouldn’t do as an Asylee. It does not matter if you are an LPR. You are still tied to asylum until you become a citizen. As a matter of fact, your green card is coded AS6, which means asylum for the code of admission.
E HopefulFeb 22, 2024
Using your passport signals you may have obtained asylum by deceptive means: fraud, misrepresentation, etc. You risk getting your green card revoked as well as your legal status in the US. You will be placed in removal/deportation proceedings. Just because X did it does not mean it will work for you. Be smart and think about your struggle rather than losing it all for what ? A trip ? please give me a break. Do us a favor by stop posting ridiculous questions. USCIS can still deny you citizenship down the road when they check your travel history. Even then, they can still revoke your green card and put you in deportation, including all of your dependents who obtained that asylum status from you and onwards. So you had better think twice before getting yourself removed from the US. Hope you won’t make that mistake.
Artem TFeb 22, 2024
@E Hopeful Well said!
Mamta BasnetFeb 22, 2024
@E Hopeful @E L Your comment sounds logical. however, wanted to know if this coming from an immigration lawyer or a legal advisor?
E HopefulFeb 22, 2024
@Mamta Basnet A legal professional.
E HopefulFeb 22, 2024
@Mamta Basnet What I share is for information purposes ONLY and should NOT be considered as legal advise.
nagh techFeb 23, 2024
I have a question for my good friends. If I am the main person in the asylum case, can my spouse and children get the passport of the original country and even travel to the original country after getting the green card?
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E HopefulFeb 23, 2024
@nagh tech Nope. We already addressed this question a number of times here. Please refer to the answers above. If you want to risk losing your status by putting your family at risk, please go ahead, but you’ll be responsible for the consequences down the road. But why use those passports while you have protection from the US government ? You are stupidly availing yourself to the protection of the country of persecution when you use them. If anything happens abroad, the US wont’t do anything for you. There is a reason the government has a US refugee travel document for asylees/refugees. Do you think they are stupid ? and do you think you can get away from it by bypassing their intelligence ? The moment you use those passports, CBP gets the records of your travel history the moment you department the US and come into the country. As a matter of fact, they get it way before you even get to the airport when you do your check in at your place or even at the airport. Airlines are required/mandated to report travelers to CBP. They also get a report of all travels that are traveling to the US before they even land into the Country. So now tell me why do you want to play stupid games with the US government, as if you are smarter than the system ? Please do us a favor by stop posting these kinds of questions here. We could be helping others with great questions other than babysitting you with your unreasonable questions.
nagh techFeb 23, 2024
Thank you for your answer, of course, some countries do not accept travel documents, such as the UAE, and you must use the passport of the original country, so what should be done? In addition, it takes about 17 months to get a travel document and it is only valid for one year. I heard from my lawyer that if you are not the main person in the asylum case, there is no problem to get the passport of the country of origin and travel to other countries other than the country of origin.
E HopefulFeb 23, 2024
@nagh tech I do not know where that lawyer got his/her bar exam to practice immigration law. It does not matter if you are not the main applicant. The same restrictions apply to everyone across the board with no special provisions or treatments. And yes, that’s correct the UAE does not accept the US Refugee Travel document. But you can still use the re-enter permit, which maybe a great option for an LPR because it is valid for 2 years. You could only land in your home country if the persecution is no longer rampant, and if that’s the case, many folks get serious problems to adjust to LPR because the government will say that you can now relocate in your country now that you are no longer persecuted. Your LPR is at the end of the day granted as a result of persecution. Period. So there should not be any argument about the validity of the RTD. It’s been made that made to prevent fraud and member states of the Geneva convention agreed to keeping it to one year at a time. Does it make sense ?
nagh techFeb 23, 2024
Thank you again for your answer. I don't know about immigration laws, but it should be reasonable that when a family member, for example, a father, is in danger of life in his country of birth and comes to USA as a asylee from there, and in the asylum case, he is the cause of death only for himself. if the rest of the family is not in danger and they can stay in USA simply because the spouse or the father of the children is accepted as a asylee, then there is no reason why they cannot return to their original country.
nagh techFeb 23, 2024
Or if they want to use their country's passport to travel to other countries
nagh techFeb 23, 2024
I have seen cases where the father of the family came alone to the USA and applied for asylum if his family lives in the original country, and after his asylum was accepted, then his family came to USA and after geting With a green card, they can easily travel to the country of origin, of course, with the passport of the country of origin
nagh techFeb 23, 2024
And those restrictions that you said only exist for the father of the family
E LFeb 23, 2024
@E Hopeful You are wrong, because I am still a citizen of the country where I cannot go, and I still have to say that I am from the country where I fled. You apply logic that makes no sense. I still have to identify myself as a citizen of another country. But I see thousands of cases that have never had problems for using the passport of the country from which they fled. so analyze very well. your comments create fear.
E HopefulFeb 23, 2024
@E L It’s up to you. Please do what you already know and do us a favor of not asking for guidance here since you think you know everything. Also, show CBP your passport from the country of persecution upon return to the US.
E HopefulFeb 23, 2024
@nagh tech ignorance will always pay off. Please make that argument with CBP or USCIS. And please ask them to include a provision which says dependents should use their passports. Also, don’t forget to tell them you ever went to the country of persecution’s embassy to renew or apply for a new passport. Lastly, specify that your dependents (and yourself) are intending to go to the country of persecution if you ever try to apply for an I-131. I am sure they’ll thank you for being such a brave person for defying reason and asylum laws.
nagh techFeb 23, 2024
By the way, when we went for the asylum interview, we had obtained a new passport for one of my children from the embassy of the original country, and we showed it during the interview, and they did not mention any problems, and then they accepted the asylum case.
nagh techFeb 23, 2024
The conditions of the main person in the asylum case and his dependents are completely different
nagh techFeb 23, 2024
What you say may be true for the main person, but it cannot be true for dependents
Immigration GuyFeb 24, 2024
@nagh tech , the difference before your asylum being approved and after is because before it is approved you have a solid reason 'I need some sort of Identification Document' given the fact that you are not an asylee in the US yet thus you have no other choice. but after being granted asylum, the embassy part especially applies if you get in trouble abroad. when you possess RTD, say you travelled to Germany and ended up having issues, the German authorities would call the US embassy related to your issues since you are under US protection. when you enter Germany with your country of origin passport, what you are consenting to is 'I am under country of origin protection and if you deport me from Germany, deport me to the country of origin'
so by you being ok with that - directly implies that you have no fear whatsoever from being sent back to your country of origin.
even if you guys were right - I do not understand how you are so comfortable using the passport of the country you've been harmed in. it's beyond me!
Immigration GuyFeb 24, 2024
and I am not saying these just whatever, I worked as an immigration paralegal for 2+ years. but again as @E Hopeful said, please knock yourself out - go do it, it's your life, your decisions.
don donFeb 24, 2024
the debate is 100% from both the sides. I know people who have travelled with their asylum based GC and got back and their are people who have been applying for RTD. Also legal persons, lawyers are confused to give the correct answers and neither USCIS has made that clear. So, it depends upon the person till how they have understood the law, rules watever you say. I am in two minds too because I am in the same shoe having aslyum based GC and wanted to travel since my advance parole was denied. So, yeah I think the decision is upto you. So goodluck everybody and if anybody hear something similar news related to our conversation please share with us 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Lumi lFeb 24, 2024
@Immigration Guy the US government doesn't protect you if you are not citizen specifically if you are outside the USA no chance,stop spreading false information please.
Immigration GuyFeb 24, 2024
when I said protect I do not mean diplomatic immunity lol and I did explain it with the most important example. if you get in trouble (up to being deported from the country you are visiting) they will contact the issuer of the travel document you've entered.
I've had 2 client cases like that so freedom of speech, anyone here can take it or not. I agree with @don don , I've seen people leave with their country of origin passports as well, but it means risking things either when entering back here and/or when you apply for citizenship.
won't comment anymore - not worth it. go ahead travel with the country of origin passport :) what does becoming an asylee mean at the end of day right?
E HopefulFeb 25, 2024
@Immigration Guy leave them with their ignorance. At the end of the day, it is their problem and they’ll blame themselves when things go south. It’s not worth it since we are dealing with folks who think they know more than what we know as legal professionals
Lumi lFeb 25, 2024
@E Hopeful we'll if you can start work with I-94 in NY you are smart because here the day expires EAD other day you can't work except if you apply to renew it.
Lumi lFeb 25, 2024
@Immigration Guy refugee travel document most of the country don't recognize that document this is in my experience.
nagh techFeb 25, 2024
All your statements are about the main asylee, but it is not true about his family, who do not face any danger in their country of birth. And they mention these things during the interview. So, if they want to travel outside the US with their country's passport, they should not have any legal problems when they return to the US. The conditions of the main person in the asylum case are completely different from those of his dependents
